Current PSLF, SAVE, IBR scenario

Good day,

I’ve been paying dues and following Debt Collective emails, but just joined this forum.

I’m an older (51) student loan borrower with a very high balance ($386K, mostly principal compounded w/ capitalized interest) relative to my career path (music/music ed - a Ph.D., 2 Master’s, Bachelors). I AM in a PSLF eligible job currently, and have been in one off and on (but also ineligible jobs, including a university position abroad, public service positions held before 2007 when IBR started, and adjunct/part-time positions during my degree enrollment, that didn’t meet min. hours, plus a COVID unemployment period).

I am currently at 83 qualifying payments out of the needed 120 for PSLF. I had some years accrual toward forgiveness under IBR, though that info is no longer on the studentaid.gov site after the recent suspension of that forgiveness model.

I was placed out of IBR and into SAVE when that plan began under Biden. Obviously we know the situation with the injunction and now interest about to kick in. I was also given bad advice on the phone by an FSA rep last year, that by continuing payments under SAVE forbearance over the past year, I could eventually have those payments count toward PSLF. Obviously with the new administration eliminating that program, that’s not going to happen for a bunch of my payments.

I got a recent Debt Collective email summarizing all the recent upheaval, and recommending each person ask a professional about his/her unique situation for advice. My question is, what kind of professional and where? I’m trying to determine if I should now apply for IBR to resume making PSLF qualifying payments, but afraid the adjusted monthly payment calculation will be impossibly higher (I can go a little higher, not a lot).

Thanks for listening.
Matt

Interest will start accruing again on your SAVE plan 8/1/25. Since you are in PSLF it would be worth switching out of SAVE sooner rather than later so you can get this monkey off your back - especially since you made payments that aren’t counting. Since you only have 37 months left until you are discharged it would be worth switching sooner rather than later.

The older you get the harder it is to find jobs. Worst case, as a back up plan if all else fails (sounds like you are in a job that counts now based on what you posted though) get a teacher job at a public school for 4 years. If you can’t make your 10 years when you make your 25 years of payments you will get a 1099-C for what is written off. That is considered taxable income (so you pay taxes on that as if you earned that income) and so you are trading written off student debt for a tax bomb with the IRS (and in some states state taxes too). If you stop paying and go into default, when you retire, they will take 15% of your social security until your loan is paid off. They will also take any federal tax refund to plan your tax withholding accordingly (eg owe less than $200, even if you end up having to make a couple of estimated payments because you withheld too little, so you don’t pay a penalty for not witholding enough, so there is no refund, rather you owe money and thus nothing to take).

You need a repayment program that you can use PSLF (which I am sure you already know) with so that should be priority #1. I have no clue what “professionals” are out there but certainly supervisors rather than first line phone answering people would be a better choice with whomever your current loans are with along with the federal government (eg federal student loans). I’d talk with them both sooner rather than later as the closer we get to when you have to move to something else (or have them default move you) the phone lines are going to become busier and busier. Also if there is any risk you will not have those last 3+ years for public service discharge, you don’t want to lose payments that count from where you are employed right now. (presuming, based on your post that you are working in an eligible job with enough hours).

I believe I read somewhere that two part time jobs at the same time, if they add up to the number of hours a week that would count otherwise were you to work that many hours in one job also count. Double check that with both your loan processor and the Federal student aid people.

This federal page, which is not updated to show the demise of SAVE may help a bit

https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/repayment/plans/income-driven

and for updated legal junk (page last updated July 9th)

https://studentaid.gov/announcements-events/idr-court-actions

You can always have your servicer tell you how much your payments will be on each of the existing plans that are continuing where payments will count to PSLF before you sign up.

Second link above has this: (copy paste)

Borrowers should be aware that forgiveness as a feature of the SAVE, PAYE, and ICR Plans is currently paused. Borrowers can have their loans forgiven if they are enrolled in the IBR Plan. Payments on PAYE, SAVE, and ICR are counted toward IBR Plan forgiveness if the borrower enrolls in the IBR Plan.

So it looks like if you switch to IBR then those payments you made to SAVE will count towards your remaining months left. BUT double check my interpretation of this - especially since elsewhere on that page it says payments to SAVE during the pause don’t count and here they say they do. So who knows. Worth checking into, calling the feds and your processor more than once to see if you get the same answer. If they conflict the feds rule and not your processor. If they don’t give the same info work your way up the hierarchy until you get someone several layers up as they are more likely to know the actual correct answer.

Thanks. Yeah I looked into IBR and unfortunately, the payments are 7.5x what it is for SAVE. The servicer lady suggested PAYE not realizing I’m not a new borrower and it’s not towards forgiveness now anyway. That would have been 5x SAVE pymts, still not great, but I’d have sucked it up.

That’s an unsustainable amount for me. I think/hope part of the reason it’s high is my tax filing status was married/jointly; in the past with IBR I did married/separately and it made a difference (in those days I could also manualy submit some other financial data but it’s just the auto tax data now). But I can’t refile until Jan/Feb so I’m hoping to hang on in SAVE forbearance until then, making payments toward interest at least. I am in a public school career at this point and hanging on another 4-5 years isn’t a big deal (probably way more to save for retirement).

It’s clear the formulas to calculate payments are getting worse. If I can’t manage it after refiling I’ll have to forgo saving to my Roth for some time.